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You see tons and tons of threads asking what suspension one should go with on their Volkswagen or Audi. Like a set of wheels, a good steak, a cold beer (or even a hot woman), very few men want the same thing from their suspension. We're pretty much all different, have different driving habits, want to go in a different direction with our projects, drive our cars more or less daily (or weekly) than the next fella and last, but not least, live in different parts of the country (or state) where driving conditions make all the difference in the world. We'll go out on a limb here and say that we're probably one of the few (if only) shops around with *in-house* shop cars that run on every darn combo you can think of - air suspension (Air Lift), coilovers (KONI and B&G) springs with shocks (Eibach and Bilstein), springs with shocks (NEUSPEED Sports with KONI Adjustable Sports) and another vehicle on springs with shocks (Eibach with KONI FSD), ranging from a MK1, a MK2, a MK3, a B6 A4, a Suburban tow vehicle, two Corrados, a Mazda3 and an RX-7. Oh, and we'll be picking up a 335xi inside the next 180 days as a Bimmer project (our first) and it'll be on a set of coilovers that are TBA as we obtain the car. Yes, we like to collect cars and take up useless (or would that be precious?) space with them. The point? That we have the best of all worlds right here at our facility on each of our own in-house cars, driving them every day (and drive them hard), giving you hands-on experience and real world situations with air vs. coilovers vs. springs with matched shocks (both adjustable and non-adjustable)n Without a doubt, there is a benefit and downside to each and no two people want the same thing from their suspension, hence why we have different vehicles here within our in-house project cars all with different set-ups on them. Below will give you the breakdown of each.

SPRINGS WITH SHOCKS:

Because of cost, this is by far the most popular combination when choosing a performance suspension for your vehicle. This set-up can pretty much give you the same benefits of coilovers without the ride height adjustability (if using KONI Sport Shocks). Rebound dampening adjustability (if using KONI Sport Shocks) can also be tailor-mated to the spring of your choice, again, giving you the same exact options of a good coilover kit. The downside, however, is that unlike coilovers or air, you cannot adjust the ride height. Determining what drop is right for you (i.e. 1", 1.5", etc) and deciding on what springs to go with (B&G, Eibach, H&R, Vogtland, NEUSPEED) is the biggest challenge. How low or not low do you want to go? Do you want the option of adjusting them for softness or firmness, or would you simply like a non-adjustable shock like the KONI Street (Orange) Shocks or Bilstein Sport Shocks?

COILOVER KITS:

No different than a spring with shock combo, but with the ability to adjust ride height and rebound dampening adjustability (kit dependent). Some kits on the market today offer rebound dampening and some do not (the difference being $$$$). All will offer ride height adjustments, though. Typically used for racing (most notably for corner balancing), coilovers are going to typically cost more than a spring and shock combo, but not typically as much as an air ride system. Most "real world" coilover users today are typically buying coilovers for the "idea" of having them and not necessarily for what they're intended for (racing and corner balancing). What we've found with a majority of our customers is that they're buying coilovers for their cars, installing them that first time, dialing them in with ride height and dampening (where applicable), then never, ever touching them again. That is nice and all, but somewhat defeats the purpose of spending $1000+ (or more) on a "racing" suspension. This being the case, a good spring and shock combo (for a lot less money) will get you the same exact results with improved handling and steering response - and again - that adjustability if you go with a KONI Sport Shock. Ultimately, it's the end user's decision on what he wants to do and nowadays it seems that most people just want to be able to say, "I have coilovers!" as opposed to actually using them for the track or other racing they're intended for.

AIR SUSPENSION:

Obviously, air is going to be the most superior in "adjustability" options when it comes to suspension. Air ride is not a full-on "racing" suspension, but nor is a spring and shock combination necessarily, either. For real world conditions (i.e. daily driving with occasional "spirited driving"), an air set-up can be the perfect solution for those wanting comfort and ride height adjustability. Air will indeed ride the best in respect to comfort, but also comes with a price tag and minor trunk space loss that springs with shocks or coilovers do not have you sacrificing (hopefully you don't play golf). We recently removed coilovers on one of our cars (our B6 A4 1.8TQ as seen in this month's "Eurotuner Magazine") and replaced it with air and two things were immediately evident; 1) The handling did not change whatsoever. 2) The ride comfort did indeed get better after changing over to air. Air ride, however, is not for everyone, but on the particular car we did it on here at our facility, we would not go back to any other suspension set-up and the difference is night and day over coilovers. In hindsight, we wish we would have made the decision to bag one of our cars a lot earlier than we did. It's cool for only about 101 different reasons, but not exactly something we want on each and every one of our 9 in-house project cars here at MJM and certainly not for everyone (as they say, to each his own).

Suspension makes up for a fair percentage of our business here and we have experience with pretty much every single combination of set-ups you could imagine. Feel free to email us through our site (www.mjmautohaus.com) for some 1-on-1 consultation on what would work best for you based on your driving style, driving habits, road conditions, performance desires and budget for suspension modding. We're the sole Warehouse Distributors for Air Lift, B&G Suspension, Eibach, H&R Special Springs and KONI, NEUSPEED here in South Texas with more *in-stock* VW/Audi suspension that any one distributor in Texas and have experience with any set-up your little heart desires. Whether you want the "static" of the firm and denture-loosing setup of something like a NEUSPEED (or H&R) Race Spring with Bilstein's famed (and firm) Sport Shock or the OEM + and OEM feel of an KONI FSD Shock Kit (that rides better than a factory car), we're here to serve you with what most want to do first with their car - THE SUSPENSION! Feel free to hit us up if we can help or if you have any questions.

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Mazda3: the OEM feel of a KONI FSD - Eibach Kit!

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The Corrado VR6 N/A on KONI Coilovers!

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'09 'Burban (Tow Vehicle) - Eibach Springs with Bilsteins.

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I'd have to agree with one thing posted here, that in regards to having the product (in this case suspension), no one has it one more of their own cars than MJM Autohaus. And, coincidentally, there are no bigger critics than those same people (I'm included in that group). :thumbsup:

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I'd have to agree with one thing posted here, that in regards to having the product (in this case suspension), no one has it one more of their own cars than MJM Autohaus. And, coincidentally, there are no bigger critics than those same people (I'm included in that group). :thumbsup:


How are those B&G RS Line Coilovers working out for you?

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Wanna learn more about the B&G RS Line Coilovers and how you can GO LOW WITHOUT SACRIFICING RIDE QUALITY in your Audi, BMW or Volkswagen? This press release on the front page of the Vortex is HERE when our write-up was released. The new RS Line Coilovers by B&G are the first coilovers on the market to utilize this kind of engineering for Volkswagen or Audi models. Unlike traditional coilover kits that allow you to lower the car (at the top of the shock body) by compressing the spring (creating less shock travel), the new RS Line Coilovers by B&G are adjusted at the bottom of the shock body, essentially moving the entire body of the coilover up and down, not by just compressing the spring. This technique is nothing new to the Japanese performance market, but B&G was the first to push the envelope with this design for our cars. In other words, whether you lower the car 1" or 4", the car will still ride the same. Without affecting shock travel, you could essentially slam the car up to 4" safely and still maintain a comfortable ride. Have you ever been to a show or seen a sweet slammed dub on the street and said "Man, that looks hot!", but you knew the owner's Fonzi points were sacrificed at the risk of it riding like a tractor? Those days are now over! Who says you can't have the best of both worlds? NOW YOU CAN! SLAM your MK2, MK3, MK4, MK5, Corrado or E46 and do it without losing your teeth!

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- Compressing the spring = Less shock travel
- Less shock travel = An undesirable ride quality
- Undesirable ride = An unhappy and depressing life
- 18 way adjustable + Lifetime warranty + Ride comfort = Win

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They ride great but I can't wait to get on air...

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They ride great but I can't wait to get on air...


</puts on Channel 5 anchorman suit>"And why have you made the decision to go with air suspension from coilovers, Mr. Pina?</end>

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So I can sit my car on the ground when I so decide to.

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So I can sit my car on the ground when I so decide to.

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So I can sit my car on the ground when I so decide to.

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